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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chickenman you always make me laugh,

To me the prior lost really didnt mean anything. I mean like you said we could just spam our way to the top.


I feel that content is the best way to figure out who has the best site.

Page hits and the like would just be abused I could hit refresh all day if that were the case and then I would be #1.

But then what would it matter? I think what ever the new list is based on I like it. It makes it more fair for the people who actually take the time to make their site good.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I asked because whatever it is that effects such things would be good benchmarks for anyone to know who had a desire to improve and refine their site. This would of course be reflected by a rise in the rankings. So I was not trying to "exploit" anything and I had no idea that asking would be some sort of affront to anyone. Further, I had not expected to get chewed out for asking. Rolling Eyes

I will say this though.

For YOUR information Chickenman, I DO work hard on my forum and people DO want to be part of the site and the activities there. So sir, my site is not "lacking" (and as you put it) "your spam filled forum" is not the case at all. I have but real effort into building my site, keeping it clean and making it look nice. So for your information I am not doing a poor job of running it thank you very much!

I will refrain from further participation here if this sort of borderline abuse and in-your-face response is the result of being inquisitive, blunt and direct.

Pardon me for wanting to learn.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Double post. My bad.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lazarus88 wrote:
I asked because whatever it is that effects such things would be good benchmarks for anyone to know who had a desire to improve and refine their site.


Get rid of trolls and spammer

Too Many blink blink Images, ads, videos, links. That tends to annoy people


It's great when the people at your forum become good friends. It is bad when they are so close that they shut out and mistreat new joining members. No one wants to feel like they are the outsider of a group. If members are being rude and starting trouble you need to nip it in the bud because if you do not, then you will find that your new members won't stick around for the abuse.

A moderator who thinks that they are God is a quick way to get people to leave your forum. Having a friend you trust or an old trustworthy member to moderate your forum is fine. If this moderator begins to start trouble by feuding with members and closing down posts for no good reason, it is time to get rid of them. A moderator who thinks they rule the place can be death for a forum.

An out of control moderator is bad but not having someone keep an eye on the forum is just as bad. There are all kinds of people online and a forum can draw in the worst of the worst. You have the ones who love to start trouble, the trolls, spammers and some good members who just might be unaware of your rules.
Having someone who can login every now and then and take care of any problems is one of the best ways to keep a great forum going. If everyone thinks that there is no one watching they quickly begin to get out of control.

Lets not forget the most important. CONTENT. If you have crap for content you will get NO MEMBERS. Trust me on this one.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

off topic



I can tell you one thing Lazarus88 these are a few reg flags that make me think you wont be getting a heck of a lot of members anytime soon.


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An Assimilation period of a minimum of two weeks is required to join the collective. During this time a candidate will need to try to play as often as possible on the B0rG BlitZ game server, and post every now and again on the forum. This is so that the collective can get to know you, and you to know them.

That statement right there is going to hurt your memberships. Who is going to wait two weeks to see if they will be allowed to join?

I dunno the whole you need to do this and that thing kinda left a bad taste in my mouth.


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http://borg.forumwise.com/borg-post-13311.html#13311

After a few minutes reading my mind went elsewhere
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ALSO I hate it when people over use the sig. Its like the sig is longer than the post.

For example

Hi I am new to the site do you like my sig..
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Bo0b n0oOb I am cool look at my sig
here are some images to make my sig look cool


I pwne thee







Get the idea?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think what Mark only wanted to put out was we shouldn't mind the top 100 list and get on with improving our own forum. If we wanted to be part of a certain list, I suggest we do it somewhere else. Think of it this way, what if Mark permanently removed the list? Everyone would probably come ranting here to put it back up or a certain individual with a right mind would probably say "The list is gone? ......Ok, doesn't matter anyway. What matters is that forumwise has offered me one helluva service and I'm pretty freaking happy with it. No list is worth than any of that."


Mark, you're doing a great job on improving forumwise. For those who spammed their way to the top(not mentioning any names), why not have a change and try to be more creative and start gathering useful data as thats what the internet was for anyway. Information is being spread through the entire globe in such a rapid speed that anything can be discovered, created and enhanced. I'm pretty darn thankful to the Forumwise staff for offering us with such wonderful and useful tool to emphasize information into its fullest glory and also, to interact with people in a unique way.



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks badderb and Kyrose. I'm glad someone else is seeing it from my point of view.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BUT on a side note. I do love my thread games. Ye sthey are very spammy but it does keep people coming back.

when they die they are gone.

I actually have to clean my forums a bit.

I really do like the list. Thats just my competative nature. BUT I know with the few members I have I will never be on top.

I am just happy that I HAVE a forum where people can express themselves. I have a great bunch of members that have followed me to three different hosts/servers. Some had shop features and other things. BUT This one has the best support. The fact that we can request things that we want added to our site is the best feature you could ask for.

Not to mention the portal. I love that thing.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can not believe I need to come defend my forum because chickenman tore into me for asking questions?

I have worked very hard to make our forums the way OUR members like it. With lots of bells and whistles and sci-fi tchotchke all over the place. Yep its flashy and loud and our members LOVE it that way.

But all this is chaff. My point was that chickenman did nothing short of bash my forums and do his best to belittle me for asking some very direct and pointed questions.

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One visit to your spam filled forum and they won't come back.

If you're that worried about it I wonder what your forum is missing for content that makes it so important to be in that list?????????


This sort of bashing is over the top! I cant believe a moderator can get away with these sort of direct attacks.

Chickenman, you came on this thread and bashed me and my forums. You used your position to try and bully me and put me down. Then other members came and attempted to garner favor with you by joining in on the bashing but it changes nothing. You were out of line, mean and intentionally abrasive. I don't care how many other members try to kiss-up to the grumpy moderator, you were wrong to slash me and my forums like that. Defend it any way you please, you were grouchy, heavy handed and nothing short or abusive.

And as far as what Mark is doing here and Forumwise itself, I love this service and can not begin to calculate how fantastic this free resource is. I at no time said anything against the institution. To imply that is did is just foolish. I have paid for premium service just because Mark has kicked all the others to the curb with what he has done here.

My hat is off to Mark and his great project. I have searched far and wide and found others that are not even close to as good even if you pay for them. I have made other posts on this and could go on forever about how great Forumwise is. It doesnt give a moderator or anyone else license to try and beat me down.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lazarus88 wrote:
I can not believe I need to come defend my forum because chickenman tore into me for asking questions?

I have worked very hard to make our forums the way OUR members like it. With lots of bells and whistles and sci-fi tchotchke all over the place. Yep its flashy and loud and our members LOVE it that way.

But all this is chaff. My point was that chickenman did nothing short of bash my forums and do his best to belittle me for asking some very direct and pointed questions.

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One visit to your spam filled forum and they won't come back.

If you're that worried about it I wonder what your forum is missing for content that makes it so important to be in that list?????????


This sort of bashing is over the top! I cant believe a moderator can get away with these sort of direct attacks.

Chickenman, you came on this thread and bashed me and my forums. You used your position to try and bully me and put me down. Then other members came and attempted to garner favor with you by joining in on the bashing but it changes nothing. You were out of line, mean and intentionally abrasive. I don't care how many other members try to kiss-up to the grumpy moderator, you were wrong to slash me and my forums like that. Defend it any way you please, you were grouchy, heavy handed and nothing short or abusive.

And as far as what Mark is doing here and Forumwise itself, I love this service and can not begin to calculate how fantastic this free resource is. I at no time said anything against the institution. To imply that is did is just foolish. I have paid for premium service just because Mark has kicked all the others to the curb with what he has done here.

My hat is off to Mark and his great project. I have searched far and wide and found others that are not even close to as good even if you pay for them. I have made other posts on this and could go on forever about how great Forumwise is. It doesnt give a moderator or anyone else license to try and beat me down.


I have to disagree. I dont see that chickenman "bashed" you at all. I think you are making this into something it is not. Its called Constructive criticism. You are going to need to get a thicker skin if you get offended so easily- Just my two cents...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More sucking-up. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must now make some things clear.

I am told that chickenman did not mean MY forum in particular. When he said "one look at your spam filled forums" he was apparently speaking in a generality and not "my" forums.

So, I wish to make it clear that I now understand he was not attacking me or my forum, nor was he making an attempt to put me down. I took it that way and became riled up and defensive. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Lazarus88. I think he was most likely speaking in generalities, so yes, please don't take offense with Chickenman on that. The moderators work hard around here, dealing with some of the same questions over and over, etc. I'm grateful for their efforts, and I would hope that others would appreciate their voluntary work as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do! I do! I LOVE the admins....Am I sucking up again? LOL
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